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From: simgarie <garie@cyberway.com.sg>
Date: Mon Nov 28, 2005 23:42:34 Asia/Singapore
To: Polymer_Clay_People@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pcp] Christmas Gift Box
Reply-To: Polymer_Clay_People@yahoogroups.com

New technique in creating polymer clay boxes.
http://www.garieinternational.com.sg/clay/polymer_styrofoam.htm
Best Wishes and Happy Holidays!
From Singapore

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From: Laurel Nevans <lists@artistcrafts.com>
Date: Tue Nov 29, 2005 07:25:24 Asia/Singapore
To: Polymer_Clay_People@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pcp] Christmas Gift Box
Reply-To: Polymer_Clay_People@yahoogroups.com

New technique in creating polymer clay boxes.
http://www.garieinternational.com.sg/clay/polymer_styrofoam.htm
Best Wishes and Happy Holidays!
From Singapore
===============
Okay...I'm confused now. On another list, there was just a
thread about NEVER using Styrofoam as an armature, as it produces
"toxic" fumes when heated to 275 degrees. Are you saying it's
safe to fire Styrofoam?

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From: Margaret Brock <mopdah@mopdah.com>
Date: Tue Nov 29, 2005 07:22:41 Asia/Singapore
To: Polymer_Clay_People@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pcp] Christmas Gift Box
Reply-To: Polymer_Clay_People@yahoogroups.com

Garie, that is amazing!! I would have never thought of using
styrofoam like that!!

Thanks for the link, Margaret

On 28-Nov-05, at 9:42 AM, simgarie wrote:

New technique in creating polymer clay boxes.
http://www.garieinternational.com.sg/clay/polymer_styrofoam.htm
Best Wishes and Happy Holidays!
From Singapore

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From: Sim Garie <garie@starhub.net.sg>
Date: Wed Nov 30, 2005 01:36:02 Asia/Singapore
To: Margaret Brock <mopdah@mopdah.com>
Subject: Re: [pcp] Christmas Gift Box

Thanks Margaret for your comment.
Regards,
Garie

Garie, that is amazing!! I would have never thought of using
styrofoam like that!!

Thanks for the link, Margaret

On 28-Nov-05, at 9:42 AM, simgarie wrote:

New technique in creating polymer clay boxes.
http://www.garieinternational.com.sg/clay/polymer_styrofoam.htm
Best Wishes and Happy Holidays!
From Singapore

From: Jai Johnson <paintedangel@michelejanine.com>
Date: Tue Nov 29, 2005 09:35:17 Asia/Singapore
To: Polymer_Clay_People@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pcp] Christmas Gift Box
Reply-To: Polymer_Clay_People@yahoogroups.com

New technique in creating polymer clay boxes.
http://www.garieinternational.com.sg/clay/polymer_styrofoam.htm
Best Wishes and Happy Holidays!
From Singapore

Wow, that is neato! I love the bowl...and it's cool that the styrofoam
shrinks like that so you can get the round ball out of the bowl.

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From: Sim Garie <garie@starhub.net.sg>
Date: Wed Nov 30, 2005 01:34:21 Asia/Singapore
To: jaiart@michelejanine.com
Subject: Polymer clay Gift boxes

Hi,
Thanks for your comment.
Regards,
Garie

New technique in creating polymer clay boxes.
http://www.garieinternational.com.sg/clay/polymer_styrofoam.htm
Best Wishes and Happy Holidays!
From Singapore

Wow, that is neato! I love the bowl...and it's cool that the styrofoam
shrinks like that so you can get the round ball out of the bowl.

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From: simgarie <garie@cyberway.com.sg>
Date: Tue Nov 29, 2005 09:43:24 Asia/Singapore
To: Polymer_Clay_People@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pcp] Christmas Gift Box
Reply-To: Polymer_Clay_People@yahoogroups.com

Yes, it is safe to bake the styrofoam in the convection oven but, not small toaster
oven. Oven use must have proper temperature control knob.
We must observed some safty rules as some of the clayer like me also use the home
oven to bake our PC projects.
Basic rules are simple, Do not bake the styrofoam over the 150ÂºC, but the safe
temperature is 130ÂºC.
I have been conducting experiment with styrofoam since 2001 and the foam will not
burn at a standard temperature of 130Âº baked even for 45 minutes, from a size of
1 3/4 inches x 1 3/4 inches. It shrunk to 3/4 inch x 3/4 inch and it becomes a square
compressed plastic, just like the material you found in the Hobby crafts plastic model.
If you toss it onto the ground it will give you a "Clink" sound.
My 2002, creation with styrofoam ball,
http://www.garieinternational.com.sg/clay/magic_gourd.htm
You must put a ceramic tile base for the styrofoam project, always clean your oven.
As artist/teacher, I am always trying new things and ideas. You must be responsible
for your action to ensure that it is safe for teaching this method to the kids and
baking is always under your supervision.
I have used it for more that 4 years and finally I created this technique to create
boxes and bowls.
So, Laurel why don't you try it and it is fun.

Thanks,
Regards
Garie

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From: lytabunny <sherryb@derry.lib.nh.us>
Date: Tue Nov 29, 2005 23:32:32 Asia/Singapore
To: Polymer_Clay_People@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pcp] Christmas Gift Box
Reply-To: Polymer_Clay_People@yahoogroups.com

Okay...I'm confused now. On another list, there was just a
thread about NEVER using Styrofoam as an armature, as it produces
"toxic" fumes when heated to 275 degrees. Are you saying it's
safe to fire Styrofoam?

Yes, it is safe to bake the styrofoam in the convection oven but,
not small toaster
oven. > > ===============

OK, here's the thing as I understand it.

I don't think anybody has ever **authoratatively** said that
styrofoam would burn or release fumes at 275 degrees. HOWEVER. We are
constantly hearing about people BURNING (to blackness) their polymer
clay because of various accidents -- the oven temp fluctuates, the
item topples and hits the heating element, they simply make various
mistakes with settings or positioning in the ovens, etc. (I once
thought I was setting the timer on my pc convection oven and really
absent-mindedly hit the temp control.)

It would be a BAD thing to combine styrofoam in an oven with these
kinds of mistakes or accidents. So *I*, for one, keep styrofoam out
of my oven as a precaution. (You can use corn starch p[acking peanuts
to make forms that dissolve out in water. They are harmless.)

A lot of the "rules" for using polymer clay have evolved over the
years with safety and common user error in mind. If you are really
careful, if your oven is very stable temperature-wise, if your oven
is in an EXTREMELY well-ventilated place (like outside or in a car
port) it might be perfectly safe to try this. Everybody has their
level of risk.

Sherry Bailey

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From: Sarah Wood <sarahw@hubofthe.net>
Date: Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:32:15 Asia/Singapore
To: clay-polymer@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [clay-polymer] Re: Help
Reply-To: clay-polymer@yahoogroups.com

Here is a google search for "baking styrofoam". Not much on fumes, but lots
of cute craft ideas, some of which have the styrofoam "baking" at 400
degrees!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLD%2CGGLD%3A2005-06%2CGGLD%3Aen&q=baking+styrofoam

And here is a search for "baking shrinking styrofoam"
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2005-06,GGLD:en&q=baking+shrinking+styrofoam

I did find a few warnings about not microwaving styrofoam. No help for your
confusion I guess, but you can see what is out there...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Laurel Nevans" <lists@artistcrafts.com>
To: <clay-polymer@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [clay-polymer] Re: Help

Regarding the styrofoam peanuts, it's not a good idea to use
them as
forms with the clay because styrofoam will cause toxic fumes in
an
oven.
================
There's been some discussion about using Styrofoam armatures on
that other list, and the folks there are saying it's okay. In
fact, Gaerie (might have mis-spelled that) of Singapore has been
using a Styrofoam armature technique with children, and assures
me that Styrofoam is okay at low temps. I am SO confused now.
I'm wondering how I can investigate to see which side of this
debate is correct...

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From: Meg McLincha <nutmeg_1961@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed Nov 30, 2005 21:42:32 Asia/Singapore
To: clay-polymer@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [clay-polymer] Styrofoam/biodegradeable peanuts
Reply-To: clay-polymer@yahoogroups.com

Feeling better Patty? Hope so........take care, Meg

Patty Barnes <pbarnes@the-i.net> wrote: Just wanted to let all of you know that I contacted Sim Garie off list
regarding the safety of the Styrofoam in an oven. We discussed the fact that
frequently a brand name such as Styrofoam becomes a generic name in the way
that Kleenx is used to mean any facial tissue; or a Zipper for any
mechanical clothes opening although there are other brands such as Talon. In
other words, I'm not sure what he is using is the same as the Styrofoam we
use here in the U.S.

Years ago I tried to make a sculpture of a head following the directions in
a Fimo booklet. It advised me to use a foam ball as the armature. Well, that
was a complete failure as the ball distorted the clay and it cracked. It was
some time later that I found out that the formula for foam made in Germany
was not the same as that made in the U.S.

So, now I'm going to follow Sim Garie's suggestion and do some experimenting
on my own making sure my convection oven is well vented to the outside.
Until I know for sure about its safety, I'll use the cornstarch peanuts.

By the way have any of you seen the beads in the December 2005 issue of Bead
& Button? On page 128 there are directions on using cornstarch peanuts to
make a bead within a bead. It is titled: Filigree Finery and is by Aya
Teshima.

So, you see, this idea has been around for years and years! Nobody owns it.

Granny Patty
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President, NPCG
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From: Rebecca955@aol.com
Date: Wed Nov 30, 2005 21:52:04 Asia/Singapore
To: clay-polymer@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [clay-polymer] styrofoam
Reply-To: clay-polymer@yahoogroups.com

Just my two cents, but I believe there is a difference between the styrofoam
used in Europe and possibly Asia, and the stuff we have here in the states.
Ours does not do well in the oven, be careful!
Becky Preston
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(I am not talking about the cornstarch/meltalble stuff)

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From: Laurel Nevans <lists@artistcrafts.com>
Date: Thu Dec 1, 2005 00:44:56 Asia/Singapore
To: clay-polymer@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [clay-polymer] Styrofoam/biodegradeable peanuts
Reply-To: clay-polymer@yahoogroups.com

Thanks for all the feedback re: baking styrofoam. Still not sure
if I want to try it or not, as I'm unsure which types are heat
sensitive and which are not. But it's good to know some folks
have used it w/ success.

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laurel@artistcrafts.com
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From: simgarie <garie@cyberway.com.sg>
Date: Thu Dec 1, 2005 01:25:12 Asia/Singapore
To: clay-polymer@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [clay-polymer] More about the Shrinking Styrofoam Technique
Reply-To: clay-polymer@yahoogroups.com

For those who wants more information, here's my latest,
Testing the combination of styrofoam with polymer clay,
http://www.garieinternational.com.sg/clay/pc_foam.htm

Regards,
Garie

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From: Gillian Wiseman <gilladian@hot.rr.com>
Date: Thu Dec 1, 2005 10:03:10 Asia/Singapore
To: clay-polymer@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [clay-polymer] Re: Help
Reply-To: clay-polymer@yahoogroups.com

I have NOT researched this, but I DO remember hearing that what is
CALLED styrofoam in Europe (and I might expect in Singapore where
Garie is located) is NOT the same product as styrofoam here in the
US. Styrofoam is a trade name for a product here (made by 3M, I
think? Or is it Dow?) but in Europe is either a generic name or is
used for a different formulation, and reacts very differently to heat.

I have accidentally baked regular styrofoam (the kind you can make
into snow) and had horrible results. Bead board styrofoam (also the
same stuff some foam cups are made from) tolerates more heat (boiling
liquids, obviously) but I don't know how much.

Foam Rubber (closed cell foam?) can take more heat; just a couple
weeks ago I accidentally baked a dollhouse mattress of foam rubber
with a polymer blanket over it. It held up just fine for the 15
minute bake it received. Ooops! I sure felt dumb when I remembered it
was there!

Gillian

On Nov 29, 2005, at 10:32 PM, Sarah Wood wrote:

Here is a google search for "baking styrofoam". Not much on fumes,
but lots
of cute craft ideas, some of which have the styrofoam "baking" at 400
degrees!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLD%2CGGLD%3A2005-06%
2CGGLD%3Aen&q=baking+styrofoam

And here is a search for "baking shrinking styrofoam"
http://www.google.com/search?
sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2005-06,GGLD:en&q=baking
+shrinking+styrofoam

I did find a few warnings about not microwaving styrofoam. No help
for your
confusion I guess, but you can see what is out there...

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To: <clay-polymer@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [clay-polymer] Re: Help

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http://www.ArtistCrafts.com
laurel@artistcrafts.com
Webmaster, National Polymer Clay Guild
http://www.npcg.org

From: Judi Weers <crafterjudi@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Dec 1, 2005 11:06:53 Asia/Singapore
To: clay-polymer@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [clay-polymer] Re: More about the Shrinking Styrofoam Technique
Reply-To: clay-polymer@yahoogroups.com

What a fascinating test. Sure never realized it would shrink like
that. Thanks, Garie.

Your styrofoam does look different than the type we normally see in
shapes like cones and balls, though.
Maybe when I manage to get my studio set up, I'll try it out on the
three types we have in the U.S.
Judi

--- In clay-polymer@yahoogroups.com, "simgarie" <garie@c...> wrote:

For those who wants more information, here's my latest,
Testing the combination of styrofoam with polymer clay,
http://www.garieinternational.com.sg/clay/pc_foam.htm

Regards,
Garie

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What a fascinating test. Sure never realized it would shrink like
that. Thanks, Garie.

--- In clay-polymer@yahoogroups.com, "simgarie" <garie@c...> wrote:

For those who wants more information, here's my latest,
Testing the combination of styrofoam with polymer clay,
http://www.garieinternational.com.sg/clay/pc_foam.htm

Regards,
Garie

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