[CITY-o-Clay] Re: Christmas Gift Boxes For All

[CITY-o-Clay] Re: Christmas Gift Boxes For All

From: simgarie <garie@starhub.net.sg>
Date: Mon Nov 28, 2005 23:36:01 Asia/Singapore
To: CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [CITY-o-Clay] Christmas Gift Boxes For All
Reply-To: CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com

Best Wishes and Happy Holiday!
http://www.garieinternational.com.sg/clay/polymer_styrofoam.htm

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From: becca_ettling <ettlingr@musc.edu>
Date: Tue Nov 29, 2005 00:17:34 Asia/Singapore
To: CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [CITY-o-Clay] Re: Christmas Gift Boxes For All
Reply-To: CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com

--- In CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com, "simgarie" <garie@s...> wrote:

Best Wishes and Happy Holiday!
http://www.garieinternational.com.sg/clay/polymer_styrofoam.htm

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I've always been told never to put styrofoam in the oven, because it gives off noxious
(and maybe poisonous?) fumes ? The fact that this styrofoam is shrinking, makes me
worried that fumes may in fact be generated.

Does anybody know for sure that this technique is safe ?

-- My apologies to all (and especially to garie if this has already been covered
somewhere else on the board -- I don't get to come read the messages as often as I'd
like anymore.

Becca in SC

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From: Sue Jensen <sujen@cox.net>
Date: Tue Nov 29, 2005 03:02:38 Asia/Singapore
To: CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CITY-o-Clay] Christmas Gift Boxes For All
Reply-To: CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com

How Wonderful of you to share this I can't wait to try it.. always wondered
what to do with this packing material
NOW I can play with it.. Thanks you soo much

Hugs
Sue
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From: "Heidi A. Coghlan" <HAC66@ImpressionsWebPageDesign.com>
Date: Tue Nov 29, 2005 00:05:40 Asia/Singapore
To: CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CITY-o-Clay] Christmas Gift Boxes For All
Reply-To: CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com

OMG! You actually bake it with the styrofoam inside??? DH is gonna
have a fit when I start making him save all that packing styrofoam!!! I
LOVE the bowl, particularly. The pics of the kids making the stuff are
adorable. Thanks for sharing!

~ Heidi.

simgarie wrote:

Best Wishes and Happy Holiday!
http://www.garieinternational.com.sg/clay/polymer_styrofoam.htm

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FFrom: simgarie <garie@starhub.net.sg>
Date: Tue Nov 29, 2005 08:30:49 Asia/Singapore
To: CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [CITY-o-Clay] Re: Christmas Gift Boxes For All
Reply-To: CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com

Hi,
Thanks, yes styrofoam will burn and it is the same as shrinking plastic. Everyone is
worry about the toxic fume and it is an important issue especially when you are using
the home oven for baking clay. We must observe proper rules when baking alienated
material in the oven. Just like polymer clay, never set above the temperature that will
cause it to burn and gives out toxic fume. Clean the oven and always place a ceramic
tile below your clay project. Do not bake styrofoam in the small toaster oven without
shielding and constant observation of your project when baking.
I have experiment with Styrofoam and poly ball for years and here is the link to the
other project. When accidental cracking with direct application of PC to foam,
becomes an accidental art as the crack was naturally done by the shrinking foam ball.
My original idea was to cut the Gourd so that you can view the inside.
http://www.garieinternational.com.sg/clay/magic_gourd.htm
Thanks,
Regards,
Garie

--- In CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com, "becca_ettling" <ettlingr@m...> wrote:

--- In CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com, "simgarie" <garie@s...> wrote:

Best Wishes and Happy Holiday!
http://www.garieinternational.com.sg/clay/polymer_styrofoam.htm

--------------
I've always been told never to put styrofoam in the oven, because it gives off
noxious
(and maybe poisonous?) fumes ? The fact that this styrofoam is shrinking, makes
me
worried that fumes may in fact be generated.

Does anybody know for sure that this technique is safe ?

-- My apologies to all (and especially to garie if this has already been covered
somewhere else on the board -- I don't get to come read the messages as often as
I'd
like anymore.

Becca in SC

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From: Aunty Alias <antalias@pacbell.net>
Date: Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:19:53 Asia/Singapore
To: CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CITY-o-Clay] Christmas Gift Boxes For All
Reply-To: CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com

http://www.garieinternational.com.sg/clay/polymer_styrofoam.htm

Very cool! There's a lot of potential for this, such
as boxes of different shapes. I'm thinking a 6 pointed
star for Chanukah. A circle within a circle shape to
make a wreath that is also a box.

I'm looking at the various styrafoam stashes I have
here at home and thinking... hmmmm.

Thank you for this technique.

xoxo

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From: simgarie <garie@starhub.net.sg>
Date: Tue Nov 29, 2005 19:10:21 Asia/Singapore
To: CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [CITY-o-Clay] Re: Christmas Gift Boxes For All
Reply-To: CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com

Yes NJ, this is the way to go with ideas and imagination, you can increase the size of
the box, say 5 inches X 5 inches x 4 inches, compartment them with tray and
divisions then the cover and your finishing touch. Create a working miniature teapot
and cups with cylindrical styrofoam, put the set on a side table created from a square
block styrofoam.
A whole new way to expand the horizon with polymer clay.
Have fun!
Regards,
Garie

--- In CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com, Aunty Alias <antalias@p...> wrote:

http://www.garieinternational.com.sg/clay/polymer_styrofoam.htm

Very cool! There's a lot of potential for this, such
as boxes of different shapes. I'm thinking a 6 pointed
star for Chanukah. A circle within a circle shape to
make a wreath that is also a box.

I'm looking at the various styrafoam stashes I have
here at home and thinking... hmmmm.

Thank you for this technique.

xoxo

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From: Charlotte <dreambeliever@iprimus.com.au>
Date: Wed Nov 30, 2005 15:25:25 Asia/Singapore
To: CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [CITY-o-Clay] Re: Styrofoam toxicity / Christmas Gift Boxes For All
Reply-To: CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com

Just be aware that styrofoam puts out toxic fumes when heated.

There is talk that all styrofoam does not have the same "compound
makeup" of chemical ingredients, some can be quite toxic while others
may not be, tread with care.

Charlotte

On Wednesday, November 30, 2005, at 02:29 AM,
CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Message: 4
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:19:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Aunty Alias <antalias@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Christmas Gift Boxes For All

http://www.garieinternational.com.sg/clay/polymer_styrofoam.htm

Very cool! There's a lot of potential for this, such
as boxes of different shapes. I'm thinking a 6 pointed
star for Chanukah. A circle within a circle shape to
make a wreath that is also a box.

I'm looking at the various styrafoam stashes I have
here at home and thinking... hmmmm.

Thank you for this technique.

xoxo

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From: simgarie <garie@starhub.net.sg>
Date: Thu Dec 1, 2005 01:35:31 Asia/Singapore
To: CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [CITY-o-Clay] More About Shrinking Styrofoam Technique
Reply-To: CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com

For those who wants more information, here's my latest,
Testing the combination of styrofoam with polymer clay,
http://www.garieinternational.com.sg/clay/pc_foam.htm

Regards,
Garie

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From: Rita Sim <ritasim80@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Dec 1, 2005 09:19:19 Asia/Singapore
To: CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CITY-o-Clay] Re: Styrofoam was...
Reply-To: CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com

Garie,
Just want to remind you of your social responsibility
in what ever you are doing.
Cheers,
Rita

--- simgarie <garie@starhub.net.sg> wrote:

Hi Rita,
Well, I have been experimenting since 2001,

http://www.garieinternational.com.sg/clay/aquafloats.htm
It is alright with proper management of the
temperature. I know that some people are
concern about the usage. In fact Patty Barnes told
me "When I began working with
polymer clay almost 20years ago, a Fimo booklet
showed using a Styrofoam ball as
the base for a head sculpture."
Well as artist I am constantly creating and
experimenting with new ideas.
You should try it and discover the option for more
possibility into PC creation.

Thanks and Best Wishes,
Regards,
Garie

--- In CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com, Rita Sim
<ritasim80@y...> wrote:

Hi Gary, NJ and all

Gary, really cute end product. Thank you for
sharing.
Happy Holidays.

I would rather not use styrofoam.

quote
When styrofoam is burned, chemicals such as
benzene,
dioxins and furans are formed. These chemicals are
not
healthy to breathe in.
end quote

http://www.airdefenders.org/docs/openBurningObjectDescriptions.htm

One thing for sure styrofoam produced
chlorofluorocarbons/CFC under thermal
decomposition.
CFC is detremental to the ozone layer.

Although we are not the burning business... We all
love to bake. When you bake styrofoam wrapped in
alluminium foil, although there's no flame
involved it
is still a thermal decomposition.

Happy claying and stay safe.
Rita

--- Aunty Alias <antalias@p...> wrote:

http://www.garieinternational.com.sg/clay/polymer_styrofoam.htm

Very cool! There's a lot of potential for this,
such
as boxes of different shapes. I'm thinking a 6
pointed
star for Chanukah. A circle within a circle
shape to
make a wreath that is also a box.

I'm looking at the various styrafoam stashes I
have
here at home and thinking... hmmmm.

Thank you for this technique.

xoxo

NJ

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From: Aunty Alias <antalias@pacbell.net>
Date: Thu Dec 1, 2005 09:52:06 Asia/Singapore
To: City-0- Clay <city-o-clay@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [CITY-o-Clay] Styrafoam Topic - It is Shelved
Reply-To: CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com

ClayMates:

Ok, we've had both sides of the issue voice their
points of view on this Styrafoam topic.

I would like to have this topic shelved and let each
person make their own decision based on what they've
researched and what they believe.

When two sides of one issue are firm in their
convictions there can be no real debate. A debate
rests on both parties starting out with "common
ground" and from there debate different aspects of one
topic.

With this styrafoam topic there is no room for that
sort of debate. There is no common ground. One side
feels it's ok to use because they've used it and had
no ill effects. The other side believes that using it
in conjunction with polymer clay is harmful.

Ok, two different views. No debate. But also we'll
have no arguments on this list. It bums everyone's
online experience.

Each of us are making choices every day using polymer
clay which has its own set of nay sayers. There are
those who feel that polymer clay should be pulled from
the shelves, not used with children, never cured in
the kitchen oven, etc. etc.

http://www.norajean.com/Rambles/PolymerClayFAQ.htm

at the bottom of this page there's links to those who
feel that polymer clay is ok, and others who feel that
all PCV products should be banned.

No debate on that topic either, both sides are firm in
their point of view.

Bottom line is this... do what you feel is safe for
you. Nothing that is shared on a Yahoo Group should be
taken as Gospel. Do your own research and make up
your own mind.

As for the increasing assertive tone of the posts
regarding this styrafoam topic I'm saying now, this
topic is at rest. We're heading for a "flame war" and
I'm doing my job of keeping the peace.

If anyone has issues with this shelving of this topic
because it is becoming contentious then email me OFF
LIST and we'll talk about being peaceful for the sake
of the larger good.

Thank you for understanding why I'm doing this.

NoraJean Gatine
Co-Owner of CITY-o-Clay
REP for CITY-Leaders

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From: Charlotte <dreambeliever@iprimus.com.au>
Date: Thu Dec 1, 2005 20:59:46 Asia/Singapore
To: CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [CITY-o-Clay] Re: Styrafoam Topic - It is Shelved
Reply-To: CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com

Hope you don't mind but I only just read this on another list tonight,
info is that what they use in Asia is believed to be a different
compound and more safe for heating than what might be used in US, so
all I say is check the chemical compound of the stuff in whatever
country your in, your health and the environment depends on it.

Charlotte

On Thursday, December 1, 2005, at 12:41 PM,
CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Message: 22
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:52:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Aunty Alias <antalias@pacbell.net>
Subject: Styrafoam Topic - It is Shelved

ClayMates:

Ok, we've had both sides of the issue voice their
points of view on this Styrafoam topic.

I would like to have this topic shelved and let each
person make their own decision based on what they've
researched and what they believe.

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From: Kathy H <bonsaikathy@gmail.com>
Date: Fri Dec 2, 2005 01:21:18 Asia/Singapore
To: CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [CITY-o-Clay] Re: Styrafoam Topic - It is Shelved
Reply-To: CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com

Hope you don't mind but I only just read this on another list tonight,

Charlotte

Folks,
NJ asked that the topic end. I'm asking that no one else respond about
this topic without first clearing it off list with NJ.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Bonsai Kathy

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From: Aunty Alias <antalias@pacbell.net>
Date: Fri Dec 2, 2005 02:56:57 Asia/Singapore
To: City-0- Clay <city-o-clay@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [CITY-o-Clay] The reason to keep the peace
Reply-To: CITY-o-Clay@yahoogroups.com

ClayMates:

While we're on the topic of topics being shelved to
keep the peace I'd like to remind the list why we're
here.

This list is to provide a space that is safe and
loving for artists to develop their skills. That's why
we're not focused on sales. That's why we keep
spammers from bombarding us. Just this morning we had
a spammer join the list only to send through
advertising for items that were not even close to what
we're doing here. That's why we have all new list
members moderated for their first post, it's a spammer
filter.

Arguments, as opposed to debates, become flame wars.
Flame wars make the online experience uncomfortable
and that's hard on the creative process. It was
brought to my attention that this Styrofoam argument
was going on with two other clay lists.

It makes my stomach tight, truth be known.

I don't know how the other two clay lists reacted to
it but I have a low threshold for negative energy. It
effects my creative process and I've been at this gig
for a while. What would it do to a new clayer? Yikes.

There's been times when we've had to take drastic
measures to maintain the peace on the list. To the
point where the Co-owners and Moderators of this list
have been slandered, sent hate mail, had crank phone
calls come to our home, been threatened to be sued and
have had all sorts of negative energy sent our way.

For what?

For keeping the peace here on this list for all of
you.

At most only one post gets through that is extremely
negative. After it does one of the Co-Owners or
Moderators will put the poster on Moderated Status.
Contact the list member and invite them to a "one to
one" chat about why the post was inappropriate.

We have a LOT of off topic posts here and that's ok if
they are friendly. It's part of the social bonding
that's necessary to feel enough trust to show our work
in progress. List members are not moderated for off
topic posts here like they might be on other lists.

What the Co-owners and the Moderators of this list
want to maintain is a peaceful and nurturing
environment so the fragile process of discovering the
artist that is within us isn't harmed with negative
energy.

The biggest job I've had in the 6 years of nurturing
list members here is to heal folks of the harm done to
their creative process, lowering their self esteem,
making them feel they are not "worthy" of being an
artist, making them feel that they aren't allowed the
baby steps that everyone has to go through in the
beginning of learning a new medium.

I'm in contact with two ladies who have a Masters and
a Ph.D. in Art Therapy to keep me on track with
healing through art.

Teaching technique, doing demos, updating tutorials on
my sites are walks in the park next to helping someone
heal enough to trust us to be kind with their first
efforts.

We are chatty. We are silly at times. We do engage in
off topic posts, a lot. But by and large we aim to be
a peaceful list. Peace doesn't come without needing to
guide the list now and then, like writing this post to
explain what the volunteers wish for this list.

We're not asking for money. We're not demanding that
you stay on topic. We're not editing your posts before
they hit the public as some other list Moderators do.

All we're asking is to Clay Nice. If you find your
stomach getting tight. If you have a red flag raise up
regarding a post on the list, contact any of the
volunteers that tend this list. Any of the Co-Owners
or Moderators will be happy to share your concerns
with the COCModSquad.

We had 125 posts to the COCModSquad for the month of
November. Most of it has to do with issues being
discussed and voted on. COC list admin and CITY-Lists
admin, since most of the COC volunteers are also List
Owners of other CITY lists. So we do work behind the
scenes for your behalf.

All we ask of you is to help us keep the peace. If you
have a comment after a topic is shelved then contact
one of the COCModSquad and allow us to discuss it
amongst ourselves. If it is additional information
that is relevant an positive we'll give you the go
ahead to post it with the note "approved by the
COCModSquad" or something like that to let other list
members know that you've discussed it with us ahead of
time.

I'm not in any other Yahoo Group except for
CITY-Lists. We have a training process for new
CITY-Leaders that sets the tone and tenor of all of
our lists. I found that other Yahoo Groups have too
much spam, too many flame wars, too many cliques, and
not enough empathy for newbies. If you want to see the
training process check out this page.

http://www.norajean.com/CITYpromo/BLOG-CITY/CL-Index.htm
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http://tinyurl.com/5vyo8

What I want, personally, is to be part of an online
community that doesn't make my tummy tight when I open
an email. That's all.

So there it is then, all the reasons why we do what we
do for all of you.

NoraJean Gatine
Co-Owner of CITY-o-Clay
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